now that they're at dhs, they can impose these ideas, these ideologies, these policies regardless of what congress does or does not do. >> we've got some of the details. you had written a column on this and you detailed each of them. michael salo in, and others. because everybody has got a very detailed biography, how would you summarize these people? >> they're all on the far left open border side of the equation. look at jennifer lee. when she was at a pro-open borders group, they actually published a pamphlet titled "what to do in the event of a raid." it was given to illegal aliens to help them if they were raided. look at morera wee. she wrote articles attacking dhs before she went to work for dhs because dhs, she was gathering fingerprint data from people they caught crossing the border so they couldn't keep doing it over and over again. she was against that. it's crazy stuff and now they're in the government enforcing immigration law. >> unlike a politician, politicians can get elected out of office. booted out by the people. but these folks are going to be career lawyers in t